iGaming Daily

Welcome back to another episode of iGaming Daily
where the insider sports team, myself Colin

Williams and Kieran O'Connor will be joined
by Joe Streeter, Casino Beats editor and also

another Jake Paul fan. And we're going to be
talking about the Jake Paul, Mike Tyson fight

that happened last Friday on Netflix. What it
means for Netflix's future sports content broadcast

strategy and some of what this might mean for
better operators as well on the platform. And

then in the second half of the show, payment
expert editor Ted Omkloy will be speaking to

Joe from the Pay 360 Thin Crime event in London
to discuss all the ongoing developments in

fraud protection. But first, we have a word
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Daily. So Joe, Kieran, how are you both doing
today? You okay? I'm great actually, just trying

to figure out what I did last weekend in the
little recording bit then, but I'm doing alright,

yeah. Yeah, I'm all good thank you Kyle, I'm
very cold, it's freezing in Manchester at the

moment but yeah, I'm all good. Ready for some
real football to come back this weekend after

another international break, I know we're all
yearning for some Premier League. Yeah, I know,

yeah I know, I agree. International football
is not the one, but what was the one on last

Friday was the Jake Paul, Mike Tyson fight.
Joe, you mentioned on a previous episode of

Our Gaming Daily last week that you were going
to stay up and watch the event so... What were

your thoughts on the fight? What were your thoughts
on the event? And did it soak the appetite

or was it just the circus that it was being
labelled as? Oh yeah, you'll be happy to know

that I made it. I did stay up all through the
night on Friday night to watch the fight. Fight?

I used the term fight with, you know, asterisks.
It wasn't really much of a fight. It was a

massive event. How do you think these things
are better when you watch them live and you

engage with people that are also watching live?
Is it good fun? It's all part of the spectacle.

Yeah, it wasn't a great fight, the main fight
between Jake Paul and Mike Tyson. It was plagued

by buffering issues and streaming issues on
Netflix, which I don't know how many people

kind of anticipated that would be the case,
but there were some real teething problems

for Netflix when it came to streaming the event.
The fight wasn't good, it didn't live up to

the hype. The Taylor Serato fight beforehand
did. That was fantastic. But yeah, this was

Netflix's kind of opportunity to dip their toes
into the water of sports streaming and specifically

combat sports streaming and the water must have
felt pretty good even though there were problems

that water felt good and I think they're going
to jump right in because I think something

like 65 million people viewed the event. Yeah,
it showed that there is an appetite for this

type of content. largely thanks to what they
did with the countdown show. I think that really

got the taste buds tingling but there's only
so many times you can miss and as much as so

many people did view this event they watched
this kind of non-event fight where Tyson looked

pretty good for 30 seconds, he looked, it was
fun for 30 seconds and then his legs kind of

got stuck into the ground and he did start to
move like a 60 year old man. there's only so

many times you can kind of get it wrong before
audiences don't buy into the hype so much.

So I think when they go back, they need to come
back with something a bit stronger, something

that is more going to live up to the appetite,
dare I say, some real boxing or go the complete

other way. We know they've got WWE Monday Night
Raw, so yeah, I think it's going to be interesting

to see how they continue that storytelling that
they do for these types of events.

the type of sports content strategy at the moment
where you're mixing storytelling aspects of

sports with, like you said, whether you want
to call it a real boxing fight or not, it's

still blurring the lines of storytelling and
competitive sports. But Kieran, just wanted

to get your thoughts on the event and kind of
the whole overall celebrity social media events

that we've been seeing because this show, no
signs of slowing down right? Yeah, so unlike

Joe I didn't stay up and watch the fight. Soft!
I sort of predicted it wouldn't live up to

the hype. That's basically from my experience
of watching every other one of these J-Paul

and influencer type fights where you stay open,
doesn't really live up to it, but that's what

they're all about right? These influencer matches,
they build you up, they usually have like a

big ex-star, especially Jake Paul's last fights.
Have a big ex-athlete, even from the fighting

world sometimes, a big name who's been in there,
done it. Sort of plays on your past thinking,

oh, can he do it? And oh, there's people looking
at this fight, the Mike Tyson, though he's

58, they were still thinking it's Mike Tyson.
He's like the most, one of the most aggressive,

playful people. This is playing on nostalgia,
yeah? Yeah, so there's all that. These sort

of fights don't watch when he's trying to slow
him down. You've got KSI's boxing promotion

Misfits, I think that streams on Dezone Yeah
That's the whole market on its own where they

have got two influencers fighting against each
other You sort of know what you're going to

get with that, it's quite good But in terms
of this, I think Jake Paul will carry on doing

it I think we'll have a discussion later on
who we think he might look for next But yeah,

in terms of Netflix, I think they should pursue
this Listen, it got, was it 60 million? 65

million concurrent viewers at its peak globally
by the way. Even the boxing match was, like

Darren as Joe said, it's a success in Netflix's
books and I don't see why they wouldn't maybe

look for it. They've got to fix those streaming
issues though, right? They've got to fix those

streaming issues if they're going to continue
to do these types of events. Yeah, do you think

these, this type of, there's still a market
for this, right? This is only going to... continue

this type of novelty boxing if you like. This
as a market is obviously working right now,

I think it's showing signs of slowing down when
you just take into effect the sheer amount

of people that were in attendance as well at
the AT&T Stadium in Dallas, Texas. I think

that is the biggest NFO stadium, it hosts a
capacity of about 110,000. So to get that many

people in there is quite an achievement. It's
also broke the record, the gate record for

that stadium, which was 18 million, which has
doubled. the previous record which was set

by Canelo Alvarez. Wow. And what we're hearing
as well aren't we about Jake Paul, he's angling

for that Canelo Alvarez fight isn't he? Stop,
stop, I thought you might say that and I don't

have to correct you on that, there's no way
he's going to do that. As a boxing fan myself,

I take no notice of it really. I mean I like
the marketing, what Jake Paul's doing at the

moment, he's creating the villain, the heel
persona is what I call professional wrestling

terms. So yeah, he's done a really good job
at marketing himself like Floyd Mayweather

did back in the day. you tuning in to see him
get beat, you tuning in to Matt Tyson hoping

to hit that lucky right hand to knock him out.
But at the end of the day he's doing a really

good marketing job and I think it was a really
smart decision to pick up Netflix because what

Netflix has is a single feed that goes to every
single country that it's active in and where

is Netflix that's not active right now? It's
everywhere, right? So to get... Mason. You

touched on a really important point by the way.
You said like as a boxing fan, as a hardcore

boxing fan, I'm not into this. And I think that's
quite important because the this type of fights

is misfits fights. They're not for you. They
tap into a whole different demographic of fans,

sports fans, social media fans, if you like,
that isn't necessarily your hardcore boxing

fans. That's really interesting. And then when
they do bring in somebody like Mike Tyson,

you get this kind of crossover where you do
have a little bit of interest because you want

to see Mike do the business and that nostalgia.
Yeah, definitely. It's definitely a good marketing

strategy and it's something that Netflix have
just took on board and yeah, 65 million viewerships

globally is quite a feat but I think we'll just
turn it more onto Netflix, Kieran. Do you believe,

obviously Joe mentioned there that he experienced
some buffering issues as well and a lot of

people did. They took to X and other social
media platforms to voice their concerns. Do

you believe that... Netflix anticipated the
amount of people that would be tuning in and

then also to add on to this question here. You
obviously covered a story that Netflix have

picked up two NFL games on Christmas Day which
is a huge deal, especially in the US because

the US is somewhat of a holiday tradition to
watch live sports on Christmas Day. The NFL

recently joining the party with the NBA showing
games on Christmas Day. Do you think this will

be a concern for the NFL and for the WWE as
well who have also... landing on Raw in January

as part of a 10 year deal? I mean to answer
your first question, do I think that they anticipated

this amount of people, which as you say was
a feat. Why wouldn't they I think? Cause a

big streaming platform, they're jumping straight
in. It wasn't as if it was a testing event.

They had Mike Tyson and Jake Paul, two massive
names at the minute. So I can't imagine why

they wouldn't think that they're gonna try and
get as many people in as possible. These buffering

issues. We see it a lot with a lot of other
streaming broadcasters and when you look at

these big fights there are always issues. I
wasn't watching it so I don't know how bad

they were but from what I gather there's always
teething issues and I'm sure the NFL and WWE

and RAW will be looking at that streaming thinking,
okay there was good parts of the production,

I've heard the production was pretty good all
in all. Well yeah, apart from the interview,

the Mike Tyson interview that we've all saw
before. Oh, the infamous backstage. Yeah, backstage.

I'm quite on the nose at Joe, yeah. But yeah,
there are little things that need to get right,

but Kieran, I agree with you to an extent. You
know, there are TV issues and I think Netflix,

like you say, will have anticipated just how
many people. You don't bring together Jake

Paul and Mike Tyson and not know that the world
is going to be watching. But these teething

problems, they really hindered from the, I watched
from the start of the Serrano tailor fight

to the end of the Mike Tyson fight and they
really, really obscured the viewing experience.

They made it not nice to the point of where
there was an element where I was, I'm going

to have to just tune in tomorrow here because
this is so, such an obstacle to enjoy in this

spectacle. So yeah, they need to be fixed. I
think we. We saw Dzone when Dzone first kind

of entered the market. There were a few TV issues
there. It was kind of awkward to navigate.

Nothing that hindered the viewing experience
quite like this. Yeah, I have another part

that I'm, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe
the way that Netflix set this production up,

they sort of, they didn't sell any rights for
any radio stations or stuff like that, like

talks, but maybe, may sometimes give some coverage
on some big fights. With this one, it was just

all Netflix, which. Wow. The platform almost
sells itself, right? It has over, I think it

has over 280 million subscribers worldwide monthly.
So the platform itself just sells. Like when

you go on there, which you probably do with
Daler, that is just going to sell itself. That

image of Jake Paul versus Mike Tyson, you can
probably set a reminder. Yeah, that is Netflix

itself is the marketing platform pretty much.
They can do that with, they don't need radio

shows. They don't need interviews. They can
put the press conferences on YouTube. and they

can really put their heart and soul into these
countdown shows that just do so well. So yeah,

that's quite interesting that they didn't sell
the rights, really changing the face of broadcasting.

Well, funny you should mention that, Joel, because
after this quick break, we are going to be

talking about the ad inventory and how it was
all completely sold out for both those NFL

Christmas Day games that will be on Netflix
next month. So stick around and we'll be back

in a couple of minutes. All right, and welcome
back. to this episode of iGamingDaily where

we're going to, well we spoke about the Jake
Paul Mike Tyson fight and how it wasn't really

that much of an ad presence on the feed, but
Kieran you wrote about the article that we

mentioned before on Insider Sport about the
Netflix selling out all of it's ad inventory

for both the two NFL games happening on Christmas
Day. I think it's the... Kansas City Chiefs

versus the Pittsburgh Steelers and Houston Texans
versus Baltimore Ravens. And that is when Beyonce

will be performing as well, won't you? Yeah,
that just got announced, that today got announced.

Yeah, that recently got announced this week.
So, yeah, I don't think it can be understated

how quite significant this is for Netflix because
it's tested out its streaming capabilities

to some positives and some negatives during
the Jake Paul versus Mike Tyson fight. Now

it's going to really ramp up with these two
NFL games, Kieran. So what are some of the

sportsbook partners looking like for those two
games? And will this be, will betting operators

be rushing to Netflix for ad space if they continue
to pick up more live sports in the future?

Yeah, so already you've got FanDuel, who was
announced as an official sponsor. Who is, by

the way, let me just add in, they are already
an official sponsor of the NFL. And I believe

they have deals with around 7 of the league's
teams as well So they're already a massive

name over in the US and with NFL fans they're
already quite well acquainted with the sportsbook

In this deals particularly you've got FanDuel
who joined Verizon They will be the two principal

sponsors of the coverage on Christmas Day with
them two games In that package I believe they

have an in show feature which will sort of give
some game analysis and integrate in probably

some of Fanjul's offerings and odds. So that's
always great coverage there and some really

good exposure. Additionally, as well as the
other advertisement partners, they will have

in-game advertisements, just like your traditional
adverts that you'd always see. Now, in terms

of exposure for Fanjul and the other partners
and people who sold advertisements to, it's

gonna be huge. As you mentioned, the NFL, Christmas
Day games, they've become quite a tradition

now. They get a lot of viewers in, a lot of
people tuning in. And on top of that, Netflix

recently announced that they have 70 million
monthly active users globally on this advertisement

subscription tier, which pretty much lets people
buy subscription to Netflix for a bit of a

less cost. An extra amount of money per month,
yeah. just as long as they agree to sort of

view advertisements as you would on normal television.
Right, I did not know that to be fair. No,

I mean, yeah, it's quite interesting to see
how if they were to continue to pick up Christmas

Day games along the way because if it does become
a success you could even start to see prices

for ad spaces going up to even the to the point
of a Super Bowl. We know that they cost about

six, seven million just for 30 seconds on TV
over in the US. So it could be... very, very

lucrative for Netflix if this goes off as a
success. But Joe, Kieran mentioned it before

about FanDuel integrating betting analytics
and technology. Is there any other in-app betting

integrations we could see within the Netflix
feed? Not just the NFL and American football,

but obviously other sports if they were to start
to pick them up? Yeah, we know how big a betting

event the Jake Paul-Mike Tyson fight was. So
definitely it's going to be interesting kind

of piggybacking on what Kieran said. It's going
to be interesting how they ensure those adverts

reach the right audiences because you have to,
you know, obviously there's different regulations

globally and Netflix is largely just one stream,
right? There's not a different stream for each

region so it's going to be different, going
to be interesting to see how they adapt their

advertising and ensure that it's okay for each
framework. But we 100% could see companies

get innovative with this type of thing. think
the UFC do a really cool thing where, and you

know, so do most other sports franchises to
be fair, sports leagues, where they have a

betting show, you know, a show before the show
on the top picks, you have the tipsters come

in. There's no reason we couldn't see that on
Netflix, providing it doesn't, they take steps

to ensure it doesn't go to the wrong audiences.
Yeah, 100%, I think we've also seen it with

Dezone. with the zone bet, the way they kind
of integrate their app into the streaming site

and into the product is very strong. It certainly
must bolster engagement. So it is going to

be interesting to see how companies innovate
in this space. Yeah, definitely as well. Well,

we're coming towards the end, but I just wanted
to get your guys thoughts on, because we did

on Inside of Sport, we did kind of like an in-depth
analysis. just before the Paul and Tyson fight

on the sporting strategy, the sports live sports
content strategy of Netflix moving forward.

They did do the Netflix Grand Slam, which was
just an exhibition match between Carlos Alcáez

and Rafael Nadal, and they also did what was
called the Netflix Cup, which was just around

the gulf between just a few golfers, and they
both were successors, but there was nowhere

it didn't attract nowhere near as many viewers
as Paul. versus Tyson did. Now, we've already

mentioned the NFL, the two Christmas NFL games.
They've also got a 10 year deal with the WWE,

which is going to see WWE Raw be shown on Netflix
from the start of January in a 10 year deal,

which that is... 10 years is crazy, right? It's
a quite... You've never heard of anything like

that. It's definitely a deal that I've really
found interesting because you match the storytelling

aspect of what Netflix are great for, match
with that with what WWE is with all these characters

and... you know, storytelling beats that they
like to tell. That could be a really, really

good marriage but... I'm really interested to
see how they tap into the back catalogue as

well. Obviously we know there's such a back
catalogue of WWE. How they do that, you know,

is going to be so interesting. They can really
draw some engagement from that. Yeah. And in

the US, that is raw only in the US. So what
about Payput Views? So for the UK customers,

I'm not quite sure which other... markets they're
doing this for but for the UK is definitely

an over selected international markets the whole
WWE content is going to be provided. So that's

talking on Netflix, Raw, Smackdown, all their
pay per view type I think they call them PLEs

now, including WrestleMania everything is included
for UK customers on Netflix. Okay so that is

interesting because that is where I think you
know Raw will be Raw and

astronomical, but for some of those bigger pay-per-views,
you might start to get some of the teething

issues that you got with the Jake Paul Mike
Tyson fight in terms of the live streaming

and people want to watch that live too. So yeah,
that's where they really need to sharpen up

on the streaming and the buffering and make
sure that the platform is right. Yeah, and

Netflix as a platform as well just provides
so many more eyes. I mean, the NBA hasn't been

running through issues right now. They're seeing
their viewership decline. I'm not too... I

think Premier League viewership over here is
still quite steady but they also decided to

drop their streaming partner Amazon Prime Video
as part of their broadcast deal that's gonna

kick in... I think it's kicked in this season
and it ends in 2029. So I was just gonna kind

of pose a question to you guys. If there was
a sport you would like to see on Netflix, knowing

that we know their type of coverage right now,
just basically solely off the pole, versus

Tyson Fight, which sport would you like to see
broadcasted? Yeah, I'm gonna sort of hit you

with something else here. Rather than just one
sport, I'm really surprised that they're not,

maybe they will in the future, but moving to
esports as a whole sector. It's really taken

off, especially inside of Arabia. And a lot
of these teams have their own channels and

a lot of it's streamed on things like Twitch,
which is free live showing. But if you could

really boost how these production levels come
out and how maybe the stories of how these

teams reach the finals and the events they're
playing in. some background on them characters.

I think Netflix would be a great partner for
that and it's a market they're not really competing

in against other streaming broadcasters like
Yiddy Zones. So they've got a real niche there

that they could really walk into and make their
own. Yeah, yeah that's definitely a good idea

that to be fair because esports is definitely...
Definitely increasing in popularity. Joe, have

you got any thoughts? Yeah, so I don't think
any sport needs a story as much as the fight

game, so it won't surprise you to hear that
I'm going to keep it in combat sports. I think

MMA has grown, I think the UFC does a fantastic
job of telling the narratives of the fighters,

that's what it's really engaging. We've obviously
seen the rise of the PFL as well, I think that's

something that maybe could do better, is just
bring these narratives of these fighters to

the We saw it with the Francis and Garnet fight.
They did it brilliantly and all those fights

on the undercard as well. They really told the
story and that was why that event was their

most successful. But so maybe a combat sport
that needs a leg up. We've seen the rise of

kind of BKB, maybe like a Muay Thai, something
like that where they could bring a sport to

the rise to compete with MMA and boxing. Yeah,
I'd love to see that. How about you?

I would like to see, I would have liked to have
seen the NBA on there, but more so for its

international audience. I know we have TNT over
here, but I think it's so easily accessible,

because Netflix is so easily accessible and
it's just one feed that you can see the day

after. I think that makes the world of difference
for the European market, the UK market especially,

I think that type of... seamless integration
where it's shown live and then it's already

available there for you on the platform. I think
that makes the world of difference. But the

narratives in the NBA are brilliant as well.
Like the stories, I was in New York for the

Knicks' run last year, right? Or this year,
but last season. And you just felt the whole

nation behind, the whole region behind that
team and the narratives of how they get there

and the players. is a good one to tell the narratives
on Netflix. Nick's fans are kind of crazy.

Well, yeah, just before we wrap up, we're going
to keep it in the spirit of Jake Paul fighting

retired sportsmen. So we're all football fans
here, guys. So we can go UK footballer or any

retired European, South American footballer.
If you could see a retired footballer come

out of retirement doing the boxing space to
take on Jake Paul, who would you like to see?

I'll go first, I think Wayne Rooney was a why
not. He's mentioned it, hasn't he? He has mentioned

it, he's flirted with it and he's also been
in the influencer game a little bit playing

with YouTubers on FIFA so wouldn't be too far
of a stretch. Yeah, that's a good pick to be

fair. It is a good shout. In mine would be Ron
Aldino, I would like to see some no-look shots

maybe, I think he could really disguise the
shots well. Slipping and moving, I'm not sure

what shape he's kept himself in post football
but yeah, mine would be Ron Aldino I think

and yeah. What would your choice be? I mean,
I've kind of went straight to Vinnie Jones

to be fair. Raw, just going for it. Just a proper,
proper governor. He would take no nonsense

from Jay Paul. I think your twos are getting
victories and mine's gonna look flashy and

get knocked out. Yeah, we'll see. We'll see.
Maybe they could be the next opponent, who

knows? He's fighting everyone. He's quite old
at the moment. Probably all too young, yeah.

Yeah. That's the end of part one, but stick
around as Ted Onclay joins Joe from the Pay

360 Thin Crime event in London. We're joined
by Ted Orme Clay, the editor of Payment Expert,

who is in London at the Fin Crime Conference
this week. Ted, tell us more about the conference.

Cheers Joe, thanks for letting me dial in and
have a chat. It's hosted by the Payment Association,

obviously they're the ones who do pay 360, which
we went to earlier in the year. As you said,

this is financial crime 360, it's their follow-up
to it, focusing in on. as the name suggests,

all sorts of elements of financial crime, financial
crime prevention. There's obviously, as you'd

expect, a lot of talk about fraud and money
laundering, probably the two biggest ones.

Also, cyber security, things like that. It's
still, obviously it's only halfway through

the day, so I've not been able to get the, I
can't give you the most full report, I guess,

so far. No, we've seen fraud really evolve in
recent years, especially off the back of Covid,

Ted. I guess that really underlines the importance
of these type of conferences and bringing together

industry experts for these type of conversations.
Yeah, 100% as you said. I think they actually

did quite the session I was just in was talking
about yeah, APP fraud, authorised push payment

fraud, which has become quite a big talking
point in the UK payment sector. At the start

of that, Tony Craddock, the director of the
Payment Association did quite an interesting

thing. You know, he just said to everyone, can
you put your hands up in here if you've been?

if at the very least a scammer has attempted
to target you. And the vast majority of people

in the room put their hands up. It's become
a huge issue across the border thing in the

UK finances and the UK law enforcement. Yeah,
it's such a widespread issue. And obviously,

you mentioned that panel that you were at just
then with Tony Craddock. Are there any other

panels that you're looking forward to attending
over the next couple of days? And any other

big talking points you're really looking to
delve into? Well, it's only just today. It's

just a one day event, just a flea visit for
me down to London. It's just as cold down here

as it is up in Manchester, mate. I'll tell you
that. Yeah, it snowed this morning. I've never

seen snow in London, mate. Mad. Anyway, bit
of a side note. Yeah, there's quite a good,

there's an interesting one coming up later about
KYC, like a one size fits all approach to KYC

that's got some... interesting people on it.
There's another one later on I believe about

cyber security that has Rahul Das from the LiveScore
group who was quite a good speaker at our very

own payment experts summit earlier in the year
in Lisbon so I'll be hoping to get down to

that one as well and I've hopefully also managed
to book in a conversation with the CEO of the

Payments Association as well later on this afternoon
so I'm looking forward to that one to kind

of hear his perspectives on them. all these
sort of topics talking about today, these topics

around financial crime, but particularly within
the context of the National Payments Review,

no, Payments Vision, sorry, that got published
last week, and Rachel Reeve's Mansion House

speech as well. Interesting, Ted. Part-time
weatherman, part-time payments journalist,

Ted Ornclay from London. I guess the payments
review that you mentioned from Rachel Reeve,

that is really the hot topic on the conference
room floor this morning of... What people are

buzzing about, what people are talking about
and reacting to. Yeah, there's been a lot of

mention of it. I mean, yeah, the National Payments
Vision was something that was recommended by

Joe Garner, the former Nationwide CEO, and his
Future of Payments review that got published

late last year, I believe. So it's been something
the industry has been waiting for quite some

time. And it's kind of, I guess you could say,
setting the tone for how the government is

going to approach. regulation and sort of innovation
in the UK payments, the payments side of financial

services relating to a lot of different issues.
There's a lot of talk about open banking in

there but also particularly in the context of
what we're attending this conference in London

for today there was a lot of mention around
fraud as well and financial crime prevention.

So yeah that's probably become the biggest talking
point as you said in the payments sector at

the moment in the UK. Interesting and from a
gambling perspective obviously fraud is you

know a massive risk. I guess there's really
important eyes for the gambling sector to have

on this conference and on the developments of
payment fraud and combatting payment fraud.

Yeah, 100% not just fraud as well but also the
money laundering side of things of course is

a big consideration for these operators. The
other thing to factor in is a lot of the discussions

around things like deep fake technologies and
how to counter them, that's obviously going

to be quite a big issue for related industries
like betting like you say. worry of people

using false identities to set up fraudulent
accounts or even you know people to let's say

to gamble underage or maybe self excluded gamblers
things like that there's a lot of crossover

between the two. Yeah 100% I agree really an
interesting and important times and Ted obviously

you're going to be reporting on the conference
from on payment expert this week and in the

coming weeks as well yeah what can payment expert
readers expect? Well hopefully I'm going to

When I get time today I'm going to put out an
article I wrote this morning from the speech

delivered by, there was two speeches this morning,
one by Visa's Chief Risk Officer and another

by the Chair of the Police Authority Board I
believe it was, talking about offering their

respective opinions on financial crime and more
importantly how to prevent it. So hopefully

going to be putting that one out soon. Going
to look at getting some stuff out about APP

fraud as well. As I said, hopefully I'm going
to get a conversation booked in with the Payments

Association CEO later today as well so our readers
can expect an article from that at some point.

And the panel I mentioned earlier about the
one with Rathaldas, the live score group and

some of the big speakers on later, I'm hoping
to get something covered on that as well, as

well as a couple of other things. Fantastic,
it's going to be raining insightful articles

on payment expert Ted to keep with your weather
theme But yeah, enjoy the rest of your trip.

Enjoy the rest of the conference and Yeah, safe
travels as well. Thanks. Thanks ever so much

for joining us Ted. Cheers Joe. Have a good
day